|
Post by Lynn Grey on Jun 13, 2012 14:20:39 GMT -5
Wow, ain't you just something? Funny you mention a 6th grader because Joyce (a co-worker) had her son reading both your postings on Capital Confidential and even he admits you're not what you'd like to portray yourself to be. Steven just happens to be an English teacher. It's his opinion that we're going on. Pete's errors have been typos. Yours are ignorance. Sorry Darth, you're a joke. I know it's hard to look in the mirror and admit it to yourself, but acceptance is the first step. As for "allowing" us to post here, that's mighty swell of ya. If not, there are plenty of other places to post. You may not believe this but there's a world outside yours. Again, we're just hoping to see this to the end and that Pete & or Tom is able to unmask the mess under the mask.
|
|
|
Post by Darth Stateworker on Jun 13, 2012 14:42:34 GMT -5
"Lynn" - let me see if I can put things into perspective here: I know where you're posting from, said department does not have an employee by the name "Lynn Grey" (nor does any other state agency for that matter), and because of that, the venomous content of your posts, and the unoriginality of your chosen pseudonym (perhaps you should have tried Jane Smith instead of something stunningly close to your real name that contains the vast majority of the syllables in your first name and all of the syllables from your last name), I'm pretty sure I know who you actually are. To say you're actually a "neutral" 3rd party would be extremely disingenuous. Did I hit a bullseye?
But let's just put it this way - if you are who I think you are, I think if people knew that they just might see an ulterior motive for your continuing ad hom. But unlike Pete, I'm not overly concerned about "unmasking" random people on the internet who have chosen to remain anonymous, so I have chosen to be purposely vague.
|
|
|
Post by Tommy G on Jun 13, 2012 15:24:38 GMT -5
I'm not feeling the love here? Mini Pete! I love it. I actually am a mini version. Be careful. It's like having to atomic bombs. I would like to address the personal thing. If you didn't notice already, both of our lat names end in a vowel. It's not personal here but as you said, it's just business! I am hopeful that someday you can take the bag off you head.
|
|
|
Post by Darth Stateworker on Jun 13, 2012 15:29:02 GMT -5
Was that supposed to make sense Tom?
Look, I've given you, Pete, "Lynn", and anyone else who wants to have a discussion about the issues a place to have it. Pete, God bless him, is the only one who seems to have the maturity level to attempt to do so.
So let me start: What is your plan? How exactly do you intend to fight back if, during the next contract negotiation, Cuomo does the same thing?
|
|
|
Post by Lynn Grey on Jun 13, 2012 15:42:54 GMT -5
Darth Holmes you are not. Grey is my married name. My last name is hyphenated. Being you're so big on being anonymous, what would you possibly care anyway? You are simply a bully. Period. You have a tremendous ego and you try to put people down give yourself some feeling of superiority. From the sound of it, the only way you can possibly make yourself feel better is to try to make people as miserable as you feel. You're a sad little man with a sad little life. You've now got the office next to mine also hoping to see Pete & Tom unveil you and to finally see just what we're dealing with here. I'm betting it's not much....
|
|
|
Post by Mini Pete on Jun 13, 2012 15:45:08 GMT -5
Ok Darthy. If the economy is stable and Andrew tires this again all of us including Ken I'm sure will not lay down. Union families will then use it's resources and fight Andrew. I have said many times before and I'm record as doing so that this contract did not warrant the sacrifice of 3500. So let me ask you, what's your plan if Sue wins?
The unknown Comic.
|
|
|
Post by Darth Stateworker on Jun 13, 2012 15:53:09 GMT -5
"Lynn" - yeah, "Grey" is your married name, hyphenated with your maiden name - just like the real-life person I'm talking about that you actually are - who tends to post all over the PEF Facebook page.
Look, I know I'm right. You know I'm right. People will put two and two together. It's not rocket science.
*And I should post-script that with this: I really DON'T care who you are. I respect peoples anonymity. However, you made it so glaringly obvious who you are, I couldn't help but notice. That's the difference between you and I - one of us is proficient at deductive reasoning.
|
|
|
Post by Darth Stateworker on Jun 13, 2012 16:06:50 GMT -5
And your plan if Cuomo uses the "economy" excuse during the next contract, Tom? It's easy to say you'll be all hardassed if the economy is booming. Anyone can do that, even Brynien. The point is, what is your plan if the path is more difficult?
You like to act like I'm part of NYUP or something, but I'm not. In fact, we had quite the torrid discussion in the higher levels of our forums earlier this year with someone who is a member of NYUP about whether or not some of us wanted to join. We didn't. We all decided that we like our independence. So no, I'm not a huge NYUP/Sue Kent cheerleader - I've never even met her. I'm simply a guy who was not happy with the outcome of the last contract, the strategy (or lack thereof) of Brynien and his administration to fight back, and has his own opinions about what unionism really means, and as a union voter, have decided that NYUP more closely represents my ideals than MF.
Our problem is and always will be this: public perception. And our public perception is shit because people with your political ideology - conservatives - bash government employees left and right, claim we are all lazy and overpaid, and keep repeating such shit in the echo chamber over and over again. It is because of that - the political viewpoint you have - that I think makes you unfit for union office, because you are too close to those conservatives that don't work for government and are naive enough to believe the bullshit in the echo chamber.
But that segues nicely into what I feel our strategy should be: education. The public NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED about the issues. Look at the pension fight earlier this year - Brynien sat on his hands, and I was there on CapCon, showing the math, educating people about how much pensions really cost versus Cuomos plan. Brynien and crew - they must have thought the public was a bunch of undereducated idiots that couldn't understand the argument. They might juts as well have held another fucking useless candlelight vigil.
I have been discussing union strategy for ages, here, on CapCon, and on many other political blogs. We must look to history for the answers, and history calls for a strong, almost belligerent union - because that's how unions fought back 80-90 years ago - and it worked. And it's not just our union that needs to change - EVERY UNION needs to change. Unions need to support one another, and few do that nowadays - it's every man for himself thanks the divide and conquer strategies that seem to be working. For example - look at how NYSCOPBA routinely attacks the PEF and CSEA workers at the Corrections main office. Look at how disjointed national unions are - Trumka and McEntee seem to barely speak or coordinate.
That's your main issue Tom - you are clueless about the political environment, you are clueless about union coordination, you are clueless about national union issues - you simply do not look at the bigger picture. Some of us actually play the chess game out in our mind farther than our own offices.
|
|
|
Post by Mini Pete on Jun 13, 2012 16:39:37 GMT -5
Dear Condescending one. I'm well rehearsed in both local and national politics. The big picture is moving target and that is what's wrong with many union activists. They want to assign blame where it doesn't belong. Take the occupy group for example. They have a good message but it's return to sender because they can't deliver it to Washington where it belongs. Not on your best day do have any more of a crystal ball or handle on politics then I do. When labor unions are unwilling to share in the pain you end up with Wisconsin. You should ask Pete how fast I learn the game. He could educate you. I'm glad however that you didn't drink the NYUP koolaid.
People like you seem to have a huge disconnect with the taxpayers but I understand. See, I spent a good portion of my years in the private sector unlike many of you. I have a balanced view and understand how the 2 systems work. I'm ashamed to say I have observed some of the most sickening self absorbed entitlement behavior only during my state service. We simply fell victim to a bad economy. I hear a lot of complaints about our increased health care costs. The hypocrisy from these life long caring liberal democrat unionists I work with is enough to make me puke. I had to hear for 3 years how we need to provide everyone with health care. After Obama care passed and health insurance company's started raising their rates to pay for it all of the sudden these compassionate caring liberals didn't want to pay for it. Then to add insult to injury, these same caring compassionate lefties couldn't wait to send 3500 of their brothers and sisters packing and now you see why I became involved in my union. To stop that destruction of it. So what was it Sunrunner said? I'm a fraud right because I have some conservative leanings right? Nope, I'm a real person who really cares about the membership at large.
|
|
|
Post by Darth Stateworker on Jun 13, 2012 16:56:16 GMT -5
Take the occupy group for example. They have a good message but it's return to sender because they can't deliver it to Washington where it belongs. Right - a conservative supports the #Occupy movement. Right. I'd bet the reality is you most likely rank on them like every other conservative, saying infantile things like "take a shower" and "get a job". It would fit with the M.O. you've displayed thus far. When labor unions are unwilling to share in the pain you end up with Wisconsin. I find your lack of political acumen... disturbing. The labor unions in Wisconsin refused to "share the pain" and that's why they ended up where they are today? Wow. Turn off Glenn Beck. People like you seem to have a huge disconnect with the taxpayers but I understand. See, I spent a good portion of my years in the private sector unlike many of you. Actually Tom, I think it's safe to say there is no disconnect on my end. You're making the "we pay your salary" argument from WITHIN the union. The rest of us, instead of making such hyperbolic arguments, actually look at the budget, and actually come up with a cogent analysis of what's right and whats not. And as an aside Tom, you aren't the only person who worked in the private sector before working for the state. In fact, very few people actually start out these days in government right after they leave school. By the way, what was your private sector experience? Call me curious. I have a balanced view and understand how the 2 systems work. I'm ashamed to say I have observed some of the most sickening self absorbed entitlement behavior only during my state service. We simply fell victim to a bad economy. I hear a lot of complaints about our increased health care costs. The hypocrisy from these life long caring liberal democrat unionists I work with is enough to make me puke. I had to hear for 3 years how we need to provide everyone with health care. After Obama care passed and health insurance company's started raising their rates to pay for it all of the sudden these compassionate caring liberals didn't want to pay for it. Translation - "My coworkers are greedy over health care. I see no problem with paying more". Yeah, that's what we want representing us in the union Tom. And your facts are baseless echo chamber shit. The reality is, the ACA has actually been limiting premium increases over the last year or two. There has been multiple studies reflecting this, which obviously, as a Beck listener, you'll ignore as "lefty propaganda". Then to add insult to injury, these same caring compassionate lefties couldn't wait to send 3500 of their brothers and sisters packing and now you see why I became involved in my union. To stop that destruction of it. So what was it Sunrunner said? I'm a fraud right because I have some conservative leanings right? Nope, I'm a real person who really cares about the membership at large. Personally Tom, I think you became involved to destroy the union from the inside because of your ideology. Conservatives hate unions - especially government unions. There is a huge disconnect here between your admitted ideology and stated intentions for the union, and the lack of respect you showed for your fellow co-workers above with this statement: "I'm ashamed to say I have observed some of the most sickening self absorbed entitlement behavior only during my state service." merely reaffirms my original thoughts about you. I'm well rehearsed in both local and national politics. I think I've done a pretty clear job of illustrating above that that is NOT the case. You may think differently Tom, but this isn't about your own opinion of yourself. It's about what others think of you, and you aren't making a very strong case that anyone will buy other than other FoxBots like yourself. And surely, the other FoxBots are all sitting around golfclapping over your comments, thinking you "schooled" me, while debate professors everywhere are putting palm to face and shaking their heads.
|
|
|
Post by Mini Pete on Jun 13, 2012 17:19:06 GMT -5
I see you behave no differently here then on the blogs. No Darth, I want to save my union. I think I may have discovered your true identity. Is this Karl Mark speaking? I would think anyone with a sane mind reading what I wrote would understand completely what I said and would not take it as being against labor unions. That my require some self processing, not the opinion of Glen Beck. I see you failed to address the hypocrisy of championing national heath care but not willing to pay for it and the willingness to dispatch brothers and sisters to the streets. such good liberals and democrats you all are. Maybe I'm the real democrat and the union has been highjacked by teabaggers. there are Paradyme shifts you know. It sure sounds like it. I heard a lot of callus talk during the contract debate that was strikingly similar to teabag rhetoric.
The problem with you Darth is that you are not interested in a real debate or evening learning about people. You are to immersed in your self. You already have me pegged when you have never had a beer with me and discussed my views. This is typical of a hater. It sounds like you are projection your own hidden views. Maybe it's you who wants to destroy the union so you see, it's that old sore spot, the bag over you head. I will not be back to have a dead end discussion with someone who only see's the issues through small lens. I don't think you fear persecution of any kind, I think your phony.
|
|
|
Post by Mini Pete on Jun 13, 2012 17:25:16 GMT -5
Oh and I need remind you that I have sent professors crying with their head down walking away from me. I know you feel safe here and that's why you do what you do. For you to meet someplace and have a real discussion would be akin to watching a boxing match, not stepping into the ring. I guess you were a blog coward all along. I thought there was hope for you but it appears I was wrong. Tooda loo and have fun in your cyberspace, keyboard cowboy.
I had an idea though, I would entertain a video dual. How about you can wear your bag and I will just use my real face?
|
|
|
Post by Darth Stateworker on Jun 13, 2012 17:39:03 GMT -5
I think I may have discovered your true identity. Is this Karl Mark speaking? It's Karl MARX you ding-dong. M-A-R-X. Most likely, all you know is what his name sounds like because you've heard it in the echo chamber umpteen bazillion times. Go figure. I would think anyone with a sane mind reading what I wrote would understand completely what I said and would not take it as being against labor unions. That my require some self processing, not the opinion of Glen Beck. The point goes right over your head. It's not what you said (IE: the Obamopoly board), but your ideology in general. Can you point to any other conservative anywhere that supports unions? I sure can't. In other words, BY DEFAULT, your echo chamber ideology makes you and your motives... suspicious. I see you failed to address the hypocrisy of championing national heath care but not willing to pay for it and the willingness to dispatch brothers and sisters to the streets. such good liberals and democrats you all are. We had a plan. It was called single payer - you know, making us like every OTHER modernized nation. However, it was torpedoed by conservatives/teabaggers that at the same time held up ignorant signs like "Keep your government hands out of my medicare!". Go figure. Maybe I'm the real democrat and the union has been highjacked by teabaggers. there are Paradyme shifts you know. It sure sounds like it. I heard a lot of callus talk during the contract debate that was strikingly similar to teabag rhetoric. The only paradigm (not "Paradyme") shift in our nation is the politics of low effort thinking displayed by conservatives. You display that in abundance. The problem with you Darth is that you are not interested in a real debate or evening learning about people. You are to immersed in your self. You already have me pegged when you have never had a beer with me and discussed my views. This is typical of a hater. It sounds like you are projection your own hidden views. Maybe it's you who wants to destroy the union so you see, it's that old sore spot, the bag over you head. I will not be back to have a dead end discussion with someone who only see's the issues through small lens. I don't think you fear persecution of any kind, I think your phony. Tom, I don't have to have a beer with you to know what you're all about. You've more than adequately put it on display. "Concede! Save jobs! The poor taxpayers!" Blah, blah, blah. You're on the extreme end of low information voting and you don't know the first damn thing about unionism or it's history. I'd bet, like most other conservatives, you look back on what little you do remember learning about unions in grade school and think "That's bullshit! My liberal teacher was trying to INDOCTRINATE me!" - insert tin foil hat comment here. In fact, I'd bet that somewhere, as some anonymous poster on say, Faux Noise or Red State, you most likely sit there and lament just how difficult it is for you to be "forced" to be in a union, and just how selfish and lazy your co-workers are, just like you said above. I know the type Tom, and for the most part, people fit into an archetype, and people in said archetype act almost the same and in total lockstep. Finally, you keep avoiding the union specific issues I brought up and head back towards national politics. You've avoided any real discussion on the strategy the union should take going forwards, other than a bunch of generic dogmatic political crap that is based on typical conservative bullshit. As I noted, where where you during the pension discussion? Sitting back grumbling to yourself that hey, it doesn't affect me, so why should I care? Sitting back thinking "Yeah! Now those poor, poor taxpayers will get some relief!" while ignoring how little our pensions ACTUALLY cost? I know where I was - making the arguments needed to try to educate people on the issues - just like PEF should have been doing, but didn't.
|
|
|
Post by Darth Stateworker on Jun 13, 2012 17:42:38 GMT -5
Oh and I need remind you that I have sent professors crying with their head down walking away from me. I know you feel safe here and that's why you do what you do. For you to meet someplace and have a real discussion would be akin to watching a boxing match, not stepping into the ring. I guess you were a blog coward all along. I thought there was hope for you but it appears I was wrong. Tooda loo and have fun in your cyberspace, keyboard cowboy. I had an idea though, I would entertain a video dual. How about you can wear your bag and I will just use my real face? You've sent professors crying? What college did you go to? Look Tom, I realize you're a hothead, and being an ignorant hothead, you think that we should simply meet and slug it out, and hence, keep hinting at doing so. Sorry, I'm not a high schooler, and I don't meet the school moron in the schoolyard after school simply because he challenges me to duke it out. I'm a bit more grown up than that. But I will say this - for a little guy, you sure have a loud mouth. It must be a hoot to watch you in action after going to a bar and getting a few drinks in ya... And I should add this Tom: You are the political candidate. I'm not. You should expect opposition to your candidacy. Perhaps you didn't factor that in before you decided to run. Go figure - not playing the chess game past the first move again.
|
|
|
Post by Mini Pete on Jun 13, 2012 17:59:58 GMT -5
Oh Darth, you really need to get over your self. what does my contested E-board Race have to do with anything? I'll bet you are one of my cowardly co-workers who knows that I would trounce you in a face to face debate. ;D Trust me when I say winning a Tin badge E-board seat will not define me. I would bet you have one of those tin badges, and don't think me or Pete can't find out who you are. You should know better and yes I do have big mouth, the problem is you or no one else is man enough to try and shut it. By by,,,,
|
|